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What are your thoughts on illegal immigration?
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[User Picture]From: plain_mornings
2012-12-08 10:28 pm (UTC)

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I think its kind of a vicious cycle. Immigration is REALLY hard and really expensive, but illegal immigration makes it harder because we spend more time proving our identities and our reasons for immigrating and all that. I immigrated legally, I completely understand why people do it illegally. I don't think I'm really informed enough on the issue to have much more of an opinion than that though.
[User Picture]From: couturelights
2012-12-08 10:30 pm (UTC)

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same
[User Picture]From: ilysespieces
2012-12-08 11:04 pm (UTC)

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all of this
[User Picture]From: kinkakinka
2012-12-08 10:29 pm (UTC)

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To be honest I don't think too much about it. In the scheme of illegal things it's pretty low on my priority list of concerns.
[User Picture]From: kaelstra
2012-12-08 11:29 pm (UTC)

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Pretty much this.
[User Picture]From: katydidnt98
2012-12-08 10:32 pm (UTC)

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I think if we made it easier to immigrate legally and get proper documents, it would be less of an issue.
[User Picture]From: stripedbeauty
2012-12-09 02:29 am (UTC)

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+1
[User Picture]From: judaskiss
2012-12-08 10:39 pm (UTC)

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Totally not getting into this one again.
[User Picture]From: vodkabeforenoon
2012-12-08 10:40 pm (UTC)

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That most people do not know what the hell they are talking about.
From: saloonperfume
2012-12-09 12:19 am (UTC)

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Agreed.
[User Picture]From: lutine
2012-12-08 10:43 pm (UTC)

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It pisses me off since we spent our life savings and a year and a half apart to do it legally.
[User Picture]From: un_attra
2012-12-08 10:48 pm (UTC)

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With you on this. My family spent lots of money and years to do it legally and then to see people just do it so simply....it really makes me angry.
[User Picture]From: noodledays
2012-12-08 10:58 pm (UTC)

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except that illegally doesn't necessarily = simply.
From: saloonperfume
2012-12-09 12:18 am (UTC)

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Seriously. Illegally can mean paying some guy hundreds of dollars to drive you and your family into the states in the back of a truck but instead he drops you off in the middle of the desert without water telling you town is "just a few miles that way" and then you die of thirst. Simply my ass.
[User Picture]From: vodkabeforenoon
2012-12-09 12:28 am (UTC)

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That or about the thousands of people who are driven off to a farm like cattle to do whatever labor they need them for and then lock them up in a trailer every night. In addition that scenario does not automatically give you permission to stay here.
[User Picture]From: hoodoo
2012-12-09 02:13 am (UTC)

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as an immigrant myself, i dont understand how other immigrants can demean undocumented people like that. do it simply? okay.
[User Picture]From: oohscranton
2012-12-09 03:34 am (UTC)

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not an immigrant myself, but agreed.
[User Picture]From: jeunelis
2012-12-09 02:37 am (UTC)

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it's not simple being an illegal immigrant unless you're some rich white kid from europe who overstayed their visa.

[User Picture]From: zombiefruit
2012-12-09 12:18 pm (UTC)

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Yes, living in fear and being open to abuses and exploitation due to your illegal status sure is simple. Yay!
[User Picture]From: zombiefruit
2012-12-09 12:19 pm (UTC)

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I'd also like to mention here that people who elect to immigrate illegally are doing so because the situation they are escaping is absolutely desperate - because being an illegal immigrant is stressful as fuck. These are not simple lives with simple solutions but people looking for a foothold in an untenable situation. They're trying to climb from the fire into the frying pan.
[User Picture]From: emptysilentlife
2012-12-08 10:43 pm (UTC)

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I think legal immigration should be easier, I don't agree with mass deportation, and I support the tenets of the DREAM Act. Beyond a brief cover in my Law and Social Policy class though, I haven't done a whole lot research or anything so I'm not incredibly informed on all of the nuances.

I have no problem with individuals who come here illegally whatsoever.
[User Picture]From: alpacacock
2012-12-08 10:47 pm (UTC)

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Eh, people are pretty nomadic by nature. I think immigration generally helps fuel the economies we have -- it leads to and is a sign of prosperity.
[User Picture]From: disorderata
2012-12-08 10:47 pm (UTC)

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It's like, laws being broken. I just cannot abide by that.
[User Picture]From: phenomenal
2012-12-08 10:53 pm (UTC)

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I think the laws need to make it so that more people can immigrate legally.
[User Picture]From: sblmnldrknss
2012-12-08 11:08 pm (UTC)

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It makes me mad. I married into a family of recent immigrants, and they went through all the proper channels and it was a very difficult, expensive process. But they did it by the book and I respect that immensely. They still have a slew of relatives that are waiting to come and can't until they're legally able to. And then there's still a bunch more trying to make their residence permanent or become citizens.

That being said, I am sympathetic to many who feel desperate to be here and come or stay illegally. While on a personal level I feel for them, I still strongly dislike what they're doing and don't agree with it or think it's ok.
[User Picture]From: litte2psycho
2012-12-08 11:15 pm (UTC)

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All of our ancestors came from someplace, busted thier asses to become citizens and start thier futures. If they can do it anyone can do it. I hate the fact that most of the factories and businesses in my are hire illegals when there are plenty of LEGAL citizens that are looking for work and can't get hired.

There is a Bare Minerals factory 3 towns over from me that only HIRES illegals with fake paperwork, ect.Few of them can speak English or read english and there is easily a 15 ro 1 ratio of Spanish speaking employees to English speaking employees. Anyone else working there is a temp. There are consent INS stings there and they still stay open.
[User Picture]From: oohscranton
2012-12-08 11:21 pm (UTC)

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immigration is a lot stricter now than it was when our ancestors immigrated
[User Picture]From: totesmasc
2012-12-09 01:25 am (UTC)

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lol are you serious with this
[User Picture]From: sofriggencoolx
2012-12-08 11:35 pm (UTC)

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It's a tricky thing for me. On one hand, the US was founded on immigrants. But on the other hand, I understand the argument where people say there are less jobs
[User Picture]From: snooji
2012-12-09 12:23 am (UTC)

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It's tricky. I can't imagine being an illegal immigrant is a great life, so it's not like people are doing it just because. They do it because they're desperate and it's better than the alternative. So I can't blame them at all. But on the other hand, we can't just make immigration easier either. There's a reason why it keeps getting harder and harder.
[User Picture]From: hatefatwhores
2012-12-09 12:32 am (UTC)

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I've never really studied illegal immigration so all I know is what I read in the paper or what professors say in passing, so why can't the immigration process be made easier?
[User Picture]From: snooji
2012-12-09 01:12 am (UTC)

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Issues come up when there's too many immigrants. I must admit this isn't something I've strongly looked into, only in passing since I am immigrating to Canada. I keep hearing how people are concerned here that so many immigrants have different and sometimes negative views, for instance certain groups tend to be against sexual equality, are homophobic, etc etc. How prevalent this is, I don't know, but considering people are escaping countries which hold these views to the extreme it doesn't surprise me. I know there's several hospitals in my city now which will no longer tell expecting mothers the sex of their baby fearing they'll abort just because of sex.

There's also the issue that if they're here legally and don't have good jobs, everyone else is paying for them (welfare and such). I know here we're getting really strict on bringing in family like grandparents and such because of health care expenses too.
[User Picture]From: hatefatwhores
2012-12-09 12:30 am (UTC)

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I think they should make the process to legally immigrate easier so people don't have to risk their lives to cross the border. Then they could also work here legally and pay their fair share of taxes.
[User Picture]From: mikehz
2012-12-09 12:36 am (UTC)

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I recently read an editorial by Jeb Bush, who favors increased immigration. A lot of economists agree with him. The reason is that our economy is predicated on the idea of perpetual growth, but not enough native-born Americans are procreating. Without increased immigration, our population will soon start falling.

Personally, I favor open borders.
[User Picture]From: radley
2012-12-09 12:55 am (UTC)

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as someone who immigrated legally, I kind of get why they do it. the process is absolutely insane. which I guess it has to be BECAUSE of the people who do it illegally. idk.

I had to prove everything about who I am to the US government. more than once.

I actually had to fill out a form and state I'm not a terrorist and I'm not planning on overthrowing the government. lol.

I think legal immigration needs to be made easier.

Edited at 2012-12-09 12:56 am (UTC)
[User Picture]From: plain_mornings
2012-12-09 01:07 am (UTC)

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that form was ridiculous. Am I communist, have I ever held someone hostage, have I taken part in terrorism or assasination attempts.... Do they really think anyone is going to check 'yes' on those?? haha
[User Picture]From: jeunelis
2012-12-09 02:36 am (UTC)

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I was tempted.

I wonder if anyone has said yes.
[User Picture]From: cecilia_weasley
2012-12-09 03:33 am (UTC)

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Communist though?
[User Picture]From: cecilia_weasley
2012-12-09 03:33 am (UTC)

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I had the doctor's visits which had questions for me at 14:

-are you sexually active?
-do you have HIV virus?

I was like... what.
[User Picture]From: snooji
2012-12-09 04:39 am (UTC)

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The forms are ridiculous! I married a Canadian citizen so he's my ticket in, but some of the questions were just, seriously? Seriously?

I had to check off that I was never part of a terrorist organization. I wonder if anyone ever checks that they were.

They wanted the exact date of when I met my husband. Not just a rough estimate, but year, month, and day. Yeah, that was ten years ago. I don't know. Lol. To make it better, they wanted the exact date of when he met the person who introduced us. They were friends before they were five years old. We couldn't even pinpoint the year!

They also required a doctor visit, which was fine no problem. Except I just figured he'd ask me a few questions, take my blood pressure, and let me on my way. He didn't warn me what he was doing when he suddenly lifted my shirt. Thank you government approved doctor.
[User Picture]From: firerosearien
2012-12-09 03:07 am (UTC)

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No one ever invited my family to come to the US. They did (during the Ellis Island glory days), and likewise we are all for legal immigration & making the process to immigrate legally easier.

I don't believe children of illegal immigrants should be penalized if they were born in the US.
[User Picture]From: cecilia_weasley
2012-12-09 03:31 am (UTC)

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I've immigrated legally, and I'm of the opinion that there should be a pathway to citizenship for people who immigrate illegally if they are able to fulfill certain requirements (not that many, mostly not to commit crimes). I think that immigration processes could stand to be a lot easier.
[User Picture]From: promeny
2012-12-09 01:50 pm (UTC)

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It ruins countries.