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[sweetest_sin_78]
I have a tipping question, because those are SO original:

My cousin and I frequent a Mexican restaurant  They offer free chips and salsa. This is mostly what we are there to eat. We also order white cheese and bean dip as well as two sodas. The waiter/waitresses usually are less than happy with us because we're young so it's likely we'll tip shitty, we didn't order much so it's likely we'll tip shitty, or whatever. Every time we go, we get less than awesome service (glasses, chips, and salsa are all left empty for awhile before filled with waitress/waiter no where in sight). Our bill is always just about $11. Even though we get service we're not extremely happy with, we'll normally leave a $5 tip (mostly because we feel bad for taking up a table. I'd love to just go sit in the bar, but my cousin isn't 21 and in my state you have to be 21 to enter the bar area).

In your opinion, do you feel this $5 tip (on a $11 check) makes up for us taking up a table for ~45 minutes?


IDK/IDC: How often do you find yourself "using your manners"?

I think I do it a freakish amount. I will say "excuse me" to my cat. I make sure I always say please and thank you to everyone. I refer to most people are ma'am or sir or miss or gentleman. I think it comes from working in customer service since I was 15 (I'm 23 now).
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[User Picture]From: vodkabeforenoon
2012-11-09 12:19 am (UTC)

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I would tip about $5 per person.

I always use my manners irl
[User Picture]From: novelized
2012-11-09 01:23 am (UTC)

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$5 per person? whaaaat
[User Picture]From: vodkabeforenoon
2012-11-09 01:54 am (UTC)

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Exactly what I said...you should tip by how many people are being served.
[User Picture]From: effervescent
2012-11-09 02:38 am (UTC)

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That's almost a 100% tip based on the amount they spend, though. o_O
[User Picture]From: vodkabeforenoon
2012-11-09 02:41 am (UTC)

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I know most waitresses only get $2.75 an hour...seems fair to me.
[User Picture]From: sblmnldrknss
2012-11-09 03:50 am (UTC)

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And they only serve one person an hour?
[User Picture]From: vodkabeforenoon
2012-11-09 04:06 am (UTC)

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Are you sure they are consistently getting more then one person every hour of their shift?
The server is serving more than one person at one table...yes people should account for how many people are at the table.
[User Picture]From: sblmnldrknss
2012-11-09 04:11 am (UTC)

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What I'm saying is it's no single customer's responsibility to make sure their server makes a living wage. That's not how it works.
[User Picture]From: vodkabeforenoon
2012-11-09 04:35 am (UTC)

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Whatever makes you sleep better at night.
[User Picture]From: longerdecember
2012-11-09 08:03 am (UTC)

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I would agree with that amount (or rounding up to 20) if the service was good. I would not leave a tip that large for lousy service.
[User Picture]From: sassi214
2012-11-09 12:21 am (UTC)

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I think what you're doing is fine. More than fine.
You're being generous in my opinion.

[User Picture]From: yesterdayanew
2012-11-09 12:23 am (UTC)

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i am a teacher and sometimes i bump into desks and apologize to them. usually it's when i don't realize it's a desk and i think it's a person though.
[User Picture]From: 911pleasehold
2012-11-09 02:17 am (UTC)

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Yesss, I do this at work with walls, tables, chairs, anything at all. It could be a person!
[User Picture]From: futurenurselady
2012-11-09 12:23 am (UTC)

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Wait a minute, you go there frequently, tip nearly 50%, and still get service like that?

Are you going at 7pm on Saturday or something? Are they really really busy every time you're there? If not, don't worry about the time you are spending at the table.
[User Picture]From: sweetest_sin_78
2012-11-09 12:25 am (UTC)

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Nah, we go at off times like 3 PM. We go like once every 2 weeks, so not REALLY frequently. The waitresses/waiters don't know us or anything. She turns 21 next month on the 4th so we'll always just hit up the bar side and not have to worry about it I assume.
[User Picture]From: erroroperator
2012-11-09 12:23 am (UTC)

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I think it's a good tip. It's not like you're just hanging out without buying anything. I don't think 45 minutes is too unreasonable to grab something to eat with your cousin, no matter how big your bill is. Unless the restaurant is packed and there's a line out the door, I wouldn't feel bad about taking up a table.

All the time. I always feel like a jerk if I forget to say please or thank you.

[User Picture]From: sweetest_sin_78
2012-11-09 12:26 am (UTC)

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In high school we use to get yelled at for going there on lunch... but that was when there would be 20 of us and only one person would order a soda and the rest of us would just eat the free stuff.
[User Picture]From: erroroperator
2012-11-09 12:27 am (UTC)

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Yeah, I can definitely see how that would annoy servers, but in this case there's really no reason for them to provide such crappy service! You're paying and (I'm assuming that) you're not a pain in the ass.
[User Picture]From: sweetest_sin_78
2012-11-09 12:31 am (UTC)

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I like to think we're not. I mean we're giggly when we're together, but to an obnoxious level. A little old man sitting by us on Tuesday told us we looked like, "The best of friends" which just made me entire life because she is my best friend!
[User Picture]From: 836am
2012-11-09 12:27 am (UTC)

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Are you sure it's you and not the restaurant itself? I mean, it's not completely unusual for certain restaurants to have slow/crappy service, regardless of how often you're there and/or what you spend.
[User Picture]From: sweetest_sin_78
2012-11-09 12:29 am (UTC)

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No, it's just us. When we go in as a group and order "real food" we always get prompt service. Like if we bring in her other two sisters and order lunch (still going in at 3pm and not a peak time), the service is still improved over if we just order drinks and dip.
[User Picture]From: pirahan
2012-11-09 12:30 am (UTC)

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It kind of sucks for the server because if you are seated in their section that means people who are going to be paying more will be seated in someone else's. You are tipping decently and it isn't anything to be ashamed of, but it can be crummy from the server's pov. Or maybe the place just has shitty service. Mention it to the manager if it really bothers you.
[User Picture]From: sweetest_sin_78
2012-11-09 12:33 am (UTC)

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It's not really the end of the world, but I just wanted to make sure that I wasn't like SUPER stiffing the wait staff. I mean obviously on an $11 bill I'm not going to be stingy (since I can afford not to be) and leave the standard 10 - 20% tip knowing that s/he COULD have gotten a bigger table had I not been there.
[User Picture]From: ellelelle
2012-11-09 12:36 am (UTC)

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in Ireland that wouldn't be an issue, the servers would still be obliged to do their jobs in the same manner, and there would be no tip.

sometimes i think the lack of tipping culture actually makes our lives so much easier!
[User Picture]From: kaelstra
2012-11-09 12:41 am (UTC)

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As long as this isn't the $5 you leave behind, then I see no problems with this.

[User Picture]From: emptysilentlife
2012-11-09 12:55 am (UTC)

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That's the most passive aggressive tip I've ever seen. Well, I guess it's probably better than leaving a penny but why can't people just talk to the manager when they have a problem when their service rather than being assholes.
[User Picture]From: aimingforpeace
2012-11-09 01:43 am (UTC)

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Because sometimes the managers are assholes too?
[User Picture]From: kaelstra
2012-11-09 02:01 am (UTC)

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This. Also, sometimes there's the implication that if you speak to a manager, the person might get fired, and sometimes folks don't want that on their head, especially not for something that might not be a huge deal, but still bad service. (i.e. I knew a guy who would ask for a water and a soda, and he considered it hugely bad service if he EVER had to actually drink his water. He felt if he had to resort to drinking the water, it meant the server wasn't paying attention to his soda enough. Mind you, there's no way the server could possibly get that that's the way this guy thought)
[User Picture]From: aimingforpeace
2012-11-09 03:07 am (UTC)

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Wow that's just crazy. Most people I know will order a water with a soda so that they don't drink so much soda (or beer!)
[User Picture]From: xphilega
2012-11-09 01:02 am (UTC)

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I kind of think it's shitty to go in and not order more than an appetizer... particularly if they switch off tables and you're preventing a more typical order. But $5 on $11 isn't bad. I don't know; I might be over-sensitive to this kind of stuff.
[User Picture]From: sweetest_sin_78
2012-11-09 01:11 am (UTC)

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We try to go in when no one else is there thinking that the servers would be like "OMGZ YAY SOMEONE IS HERE!" But every section has at least one other table, and then they have the other side jobs they need to be doing also. Since basically everything we need can be brought to us within a few minutes of seating us, I guess we're easily forgotten.

I don't feel like it's something I'd ever complain to like management about because I know the service there is good when I've been around and people have ordered actual meals. I just want to make sure we're not screwing them over hard core. I mean we never leave the area a mess (we even go as far as combining our cups and stacking the dishes and everything).
[User Picture]From: sblmnldrknss
2012-11-09 03:53 am (UTC)

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Only if the restaurant is really swamped. But when it all boils down to it, a person can come in and only order an appetizer or a dessert and that's just the nature of the game. Some tables will spend tons of money. Others won't. There's nothing that can, or should, be done about that.
[User Picture]From: bad_lcuk
2012-11-09 01:03 am (UTC)

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Depends if the restaurant is busy or not, but if i were a server there id be a bit peeved knowing youre coming in just to eat those table samplers. Cant you legitimately 'order' a large sized chips or something? idk. but i mean if you feel comfortable then thats totally cool. I think that at the end of the day what youre doing is legitimate and $5 is just fine.
[User Picture]From: sweetest_sin_78
2012-11-09 01:07 am (UTC)

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We make sure we don't ever go in during lunch or dinner rush. We always plan to go in during the week. If we drive by and the parking lot is full, we'll go and do something else before we stop in there.

Neither of us is really a big fan of the food there. She doesn't like Mexican food, and I'd just get the soft tacos. But we love the dip and the salsa. I mean we have to pay for the drinks and the bean dip... so we're paying for a portion of our food. The more I think about it, the worse I feel. IDK.
[User Picture]From: bad_lcuk
2012-11-09 03:43 am (UTC)

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It sounds like youre respectful and good to the business. Its too bad they treat you like that.
[User Picture]From: aimingforpeace
2012-11-09 01:42 am (UTC)

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Honestly, I'd explain to the server straight up next time I go in. "Hey.. I know we're not ordering much, but we tip like we ordered a meal, so please treat us accordingly."
[User Picture]From: kaelstra
2012-11-09 02:02 am (UTC)

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You'd think they'd like having folks like you in more often! If you're quiet and don't need a lot, but still tip like you had a big meal, then why be grumpy?
[User Picture]From: phenomenal
2012-11-09 02:12 am (UTC)

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I'm thinking that perhaps despite ordering such a small amount, you might actually be demanding more of the waitress's time. Though I could be wrong, since you are ordering the dip as the sole order, I'm assuming you're dipping the free chips into the dip. Most people when they order Mexican food munch on the chips before the meal is served and might graze on them with their other food, but it obviously isn't the main thing they're eating and probably wouldn't need to be refilled as often. But besides the drinks, you're going in and ordering one thing which you dip the complimentary thing in. So maybe your chips are running out faster than other tables and are making more work for the servers?

Not that I think they should treat you differently, but it's something to consider and I haven't been a waitress, but I think I understand why it would be annoying to have someone come in to spend $11 and eat a ton of the complimentary chips, regardless of the tip.
[User Picture]From: phronistes
2012-11-09 05:01 am (UTC)

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I use my manners all the time when I am at work. Keeping my manners means not really letting on on how I feel, putting up a cover, being professional and always agreeable.

I also try (with slightly less success) to put on my good manners with my future in-laws (weee! Now I can say that in all honesty since my state legalized gay marriage).
[User Picture]From: hatefatwhores
2012-11-09 06:15 am (UTC)

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You shouldn't feel bad at all and those servers are being extremely rude for no reason. It seems completely unfair for you to be made to feel uncomfortable for ordering only what you want and then tipping nearly 50%. Why should you feel pressure to order an entree you don't want just to appease the server? Keep doing what you're doing if you want to because you are tipping much more than is necessary.
[User Picture]From: crackthesafe
2012-11-09 11:11 am (UTC)

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Exactly this! Jeez.

Edited at 2012-11-09 11:11 am (UTC)
[User Picture]From: crackthesafe
2012-11-09 11:15 am (UTC)

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I use my manners A LOT. I was always very mannerly anyway, but this year I started working in a very rural area and my manners have increased by like 1000x because that shit about small Southern towns being extra polite is true. It actually pisses me off when my fiance isn't (as it seems to me) mannerly with people, but we talked about it he was like, "Maybe I'm just normal mannerly and you're like...above and beyond" so I can't tell anymore.
[User Picture]From: loveandbees
2012-11-09 08:08 pm (UTC)

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I say 'excuse me please' to bees in my way. But I might just do that because I love bees and I think I'm hilarious